S&S Celebs: “My Saturn return helped me create my podcast” – Caggie Dunlop
Made in Chelsea star Caggie Dunlop chats to Editor Ros about why this much talked about astrological event can help us love our true selves
We may recognise her from reality TV, but in the last decade, Caggie Dunlop has excelled into the astrology zone and helped to bring it out from its niche into the mainstream. I catch some Zoom time with her to ask her all about her popular podcast – now also a series of live shows – and how a book came about off the back of it all. The best bit? It was all coded into her very own Saturn Return. I love it when that happens. Read our fascinating chat below!
What’s a Saturn return?
Caggie says: “It’s something that happens in your late 20s or early 30s when the planet Saturn returns to the same place in the sky it was at the time of your birth, bringing with it an assessment from the universe about how authentically you have been living. It is considered a cosmic coming of age, where we initiate into the next stage of adulthood.”
Take a peak at our exclusive chat…
RM: Hi Caggie! Congrats on your debut book, Saturn Returns. How did it all come about?
CG: Thank you! The editor from publishers Orion got in contact after the first episode of season one of the podcast came out in March 2020. People ask me if it was a pandemic project, and although it launched then, I’d done it all beforehand. When we went into the pandemic, all the brands pulled out. I decided to put it out anyway and it was the best thing I ever did, because not only did it give me an anchoring during that time, it also provided people with this space and support. Everyone was suddenly being a bit more introspective and questioning certain things as our lives were turned upside down. So I think the nature of the podcast lent itself to that moment in time. I’ve also always wanted to write a book, but I had no idea how hard it would be.
RM: Were you ever spiritually curious before you started making the podcast?
CG: Yes, from an incredibly young age. I would say it was quite innate in me. But I shied away from that aspect of myself as I got older. It’s changed a lot now, but back then it was kind of considered a bit ‘woo woo’ and a bit strange. I was brought up in quite a religious framework, but that didn’t necessarily resonate with me. I would say that my understanding of something greater than myself, or something beyond our comprehension came about when I went to Australia. And that’s when I found people who were on a more spiritual path; they were more open to this kind of thing. I really connected with that and then I came back to London and people would say ‘you’re being weird’ if I talked about it. So I shied away from it, or at least I kept that part of me hidden, until I had found my community. That was probably until I went through my Saturn Return!
RM: What kind of thought and practices would you bring back from Australia?
CG: A kind of grounding of the general holistic approach to living – how to look after yourself, like abstaining from alcohol and stuff like that. It naturally made me lean into that aspect of myself. I’ve always thought Australia’s quite ahead with those kinds of things. They had crystal stores and all that stuff way, way, before it became fashionable here. I would say that’s what probably influenced me more than when I lived in LA. Have you heard of astrocartography [a way to pinpoint special geographical places through the birth chart]? For me, there was a line straight through Sydney. We all connect with different places, but that’s one of mine.
RM: I love Oz. I’m obsessed with people’s Saturn Returns. How did the idea to focus the podcast around them come about?
CG: The idea landed when I was in LA and I was going through a progressive lunar return, which happens before the Saturn Return. It’s an equally disruptive time and it stirs up your emotional landscape. Someone said to me: “You’re about to go through your Saturn Return.” I started reading about it, and people were inviting me to more and more esoteric practices. Originally, I wrote it as a TV show because that had been my background. I was working in the music industry and some people heard me speaking in meetings and said that I should do a podcast. I felt like the the concept would translate really well here in London. I can make this sort of toolkit of advice with different virtual teachers and experts that can help people navigate their own challenging times in a way that I didn’t have. I’ve kind of gone through the whole thing very intuitively. With my guests, I tend to pick people that I think are going to be useful for that, but also I have to be accountable myself. Everything that I learn and experience on the podcast I’m usually simultaneously experiencing in my own life. It’s been lovely, how much it’s touched and resonated with people.
RM: I really feel that. You’re on Season Six now. I love that each ep starts with an intro from your astrology expert Noura Bourni. So, let’s get technical. Tell me about your Saturn Return and your sun, moon and rising
Read the full four-page interview in our February Love Magic issue, on sale now!
Ready for your Saturn return?
The book, Saturn Returns by Caggie Dunlop (£16.99, Orion) is on sale now. For more, go to saturnreturns.co and listen to the podcast on all popular podcast platforms.
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